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"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
05/23/2018 at 15:42 • Filed to: I'm confused

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Unique exemplar of Oxyhydrogen retrofit system installed on a 2009 Nissan 370 Z.
New record set on 16th September 2013 for mileage increase and emission reduction enabled by a retrofit system based on Oxyhydrogen gas injected in the internal combustion chambers of a 2009 Nissan 370 Z. The full original time lapse video of the record set on 16th September 2013 is available at !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . Hydromoving inc. CEO is available to knowledge transfer session with the new owner.
This unique exemplar is in excellent conditions and has been maintained and operated since August 2013 by hydromoving inc. personnel.
This is a unique exemplar and living proof of well-known concepts of the benefits of adding Oxyhydrogen in combustion chambers.
hydromoving inc. EST 2013 CONFIRM that the prototype is NOT BASED ON RAIN WATER but a unique mix of DISTILLED WATER and KOH.
Multiple parts including material and instructions for the electrolyte solution will be provided at sale completed.
The system is able to feed multiple electrolytic cells while continuously produce Oxyhydrogen gas through electrolysis.
There is no stock of any gas other than the standard gasoline tank making the system safe to drive and not dangerous in case of accident.
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DISCUSSION (17)

Chariotoflove > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
05/23/2018 at 15:56

So you can own a car with state of the art tech that everyone will assume is a 10 year out of date Nissan.

CobraJoe > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
05/23/2018 at 15:59

Ah, the classic “Run your car on hydrogen!” scam.

Use your engine to provide electricity to break water into hydrogen and oxygen, then use those gasses to help power your vehicle, and save on gas!

Except that cracking water into it’s component gasses takes far more energy than burning the resulting gasses will give, so that little chip they include to “tune” the engine to use the hydrogen will only result in the engine running lean all the time.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CobraJoe
05/23/2018 at 16:08

So it’s like a fuel shark but more expensive and actually bad for your car.

CobraJoe > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
05/23/2018 at 16:10

Pretty much. It makes logical sense to anyone with a passing interest in chemistry, but the laws of thermodynamics are a bitch to get around.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CobraJoe
05/23/2018 at 16:15

A guy came by my office the other day wanting to sell me a water treatment system that consisted of putting magnets on pipes to realign the molecules in the water to prevent scale. Now I’m an understanding person most days. I kinda told him that’s bullshit please leave. I’m also a civil engineer who does this shit for a living so...

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > CobraJoe
05/23/2018 at 16:17

*technically* it could work, but not in the way they have it set up here. You’d need to crack the water at home off a solar or wind setup then load that into a pair of tanks in the car. You should be able to use it much like a nitrous setup. Downside is you have a H2 tank in your car so boom-boom time if things go wrong.

CobraJoe > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
05/23/2018 at 16:33

I’m not sure a hydrogen tank is that dangerous, no worse than a propane or natural gas powered vehicle (which aren’t that uncommon).

The bigger problems are storing hydrogen and controlling the engine to safely utilize it. It has a such a low power density that you would need a lot of it, and it tends to escape from tanks thanks to it’s small size, and then rewriting the engine control software to use 2 fuels instead of one is an additional pain.

All that for a likely minimal gain in MPGs. The pain to gain ratio is all kinds of screwed up.

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > CobraJoe
05/23/2018 at 16:47

The danger with Hydrogen is that it is combustible across a very wide range of H2 to air ratios, 4-76%(and an astounding 5-95% with Chlorine. Good thing the atmosphere isn’t Chlorine based). Propane only combusts from 2.5-9.5% and CNG is 4-14%.

Hydrogen(in gaseous form) also leaks through everything, burns nearly invisibly and extremely hot. Without proper purge plumbing the interior of the car(or whatever construct is containing your H2 tanks) could easily reach explosive levels of H2. Additionally H2 will embrittle and eventually crack nearly any metallic tank you put it in and it has been known to spontaneously combust when leaking into the air.

And I didn’t say it would be efficent. Just that it was *technically* possible to do it in a net plus manner. It would be alot of work for minimal payoff and ultimately would take entirely too long to recoup your expenses to be worth it.

CobraJoe > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
05/23/2018 at 17:10

Well, I learned a lot about hydrogen today, thanks for the info. It’s definitely a lot more dangerous than I assumed.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CobraJoe
05/23/2018 at 17:25

Large hydrogen tank.

Kinja'd!!!

AestheticsInMotion > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
05/23/2018 at 17:38

That was an informative post. So when are you doing the rest of the elements?

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > AestheticsInMotion
05/23/2018 at 19:08

The rest of the elements aren’t as interesting as Hydrogen. I want metastable metallic Hydrogen. It would be insanely power dense and a superconductor, so you’d be able to run a fuel cell off of it while storing the charge on it.

hydromoving inc. > CobraJoe
06/08/2019 at 15:30

Hi CobraJoe, hydromoving inc. makes it clear on the web site www.hydromoving.us that its prototype DOES NOT run on hydrogen. This is not a scam. Read carefully https://www.hydromovingus.com/learn-more

hydromoving inc. > CobraJoe
06/08/2019 at 15:35

Hydromoving inc. prototype is not storing oxyhydrogen ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen ) but producing it on demand, there is no tank storing anything but just the standard factory gas tank. The mileage gain is relevant (roughly 40%) , e specially on highway and the pollution reduction is very relevant (close to 90%).

hydromoving inc. > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
06/08/2019 at 15:36

In hydromoving inc. prototype there is no oxy hydrogen tank, it is produced on demand.

hydromoving inc. > Chariotoflove
06/08/2019 at 15:43

Hydromoving inc. prototype has been a proof of concept, based on a European patent; the concept can be applied to any internal combustion engine (gas, diesel and natural gas). The fact that it has been deployed on a Nissan has been just a project decision given the existence and already established experience of one similar exemplar in Europe. Hydromoving inc. is currently selling AS IS the (USA unpatented) prototype via cargurus to anyone interested to collect the car or use it as a lab. If interested please contact claudio@hydromoving.us for more information.

hydromoving inc. > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
06/08/2019 at 16:09

Several tests have demonstrated that injecting oxyhydrogen in the combustion chamber is not bad for the car; actually it helps keeping the combustion chamber and valves and valve sites clean, extending the engine life. The “expensive” part of the story is in the maintenance process which requires adding distilled water + KOH in the solution tank; such system must be also kept in a garage as it suffer from icy temperatures; we have done extensive tests and we can say that the system has highlighted some limitations (cold weather, maintenance and cleaning tasks), still we think the approach could be very useful for energy mills and fleet application; it is not definitely a consumer play (we did not envision the consumer space dealing with maintenance and solution (water+KOH) creation. Although we feel proud of the results we achieved, we understand this is not a mass-production ready model.